This is what will be down range 7 years from now.

As the title says, I found this video on youtube, and I was half laughing at their stupidity, but also half realizing that these are the very scumbags that me, Nuemann, DP, and Perlack are going to be shooting at only a few years from now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqhhePD_oxM

Now, at first I kind of felt bad for them, realizing that they're just kids too, and that they're human beings and that it is sad that we may have to goto war with them one day, and blah blah blah

BUT, then I clicked on one of the videos in the sidebar, and came across this. And realized what those junior jihads are going to turn into. It not only made me furious, but completely washed away any feelings of sympathy I had towards those barbaric spawns from hell, and made me embarassed to say that we were from the same species. Now I can honestly say that I look foward to the day when I can have the satisfaction of eliminating every one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG9fx2bl8nE&feature=related
(warning this video is extremely graphic.)

oh and ian, heres one of the many reasons we need to stay in iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LKDz2JDpoo&feature=related

The first two sets of videos made my already strong support for the war even stronger. The burning and the decapitation got me so pissed off I had to walk away from the computer for a while. Thanks for posting this Timmo.

Well put Neumann. Think about that second video while your throwing, it will probably increase your throw by 20 feet. Its so infuriating how ignorant people can be, to ignore all the evil that goes on in these places...and they wonder why we're there.

Not wanting to sound like a douche bag liberal, but in all seriousness, killing these people isnt the answer. Yes the people who do this are dicks, and yes, those dicks deserve to die, but that is not the correct way to handle the situation. The war we're fighting now is unlike other wars, run more by individuals than a group. Yes, terrorist groups are organized with leaders, like saddam, but the mentality is different. Where as in WW2, Germany was totally in control of the government. If hitler said shoot yourself, a lot of people probabaly would have, even if they didnt want to. the mentality for terrorists is more like a mob, they all share a common goal, they all are willing to die for their cause. And in WW2, we were able to take out the leaders and the organization of the enemy fell apart, if a a terrorist leader is killed, immediately after one would take his place. Terrorists can even opperate independently, free of any command, unlike a nation, which makes them so dangerous. Even more, for every terrorist killed, many more are created, because that person had friends and family too, and suddenly they may see the US as an enemy as well. Yes something needs to be done, very badly, but our country is not going about it the right way. I don't know what the right way is, but the see a terrorist-kill a terrorist tactic sure isnt working. And thats kind of my opinion.

Oh even though those war crimes in the video are barbaric, compared to some other wartime atrocities, they are not the worst thing a person could do. For example, the ancient romans or something had this execution method where they would put you in a hollow bronze sculpture of a bull and build a fire underneath, slowly cooking you. And your screams exiting the nose holes the sounded like a bull. That would be like 10 times worse than anything in that video.

Lol those little kids r so cute, if i got attacked by them, i would be half shiting my pants, half laughing my head off.

But that second vid may have looked bad, but in the grand skeem of things, that really isnt that bad, and for once, i agree with Mr. douch bag in saying that there may not have been anything worse, but there definetly has and is much more of this not only in the Middle east, but also in all other countries, even the US im sure at least at one point there we could be found guilty of using these torture tactics. Think about past wars, the Vietnam war, we lit a whole village on fire and pushed the bodies inito some ditch or some shit, anyway, it was bad. Even going back, the Civil War, Slavery, the early decades of America, the list goes on and on.

What im trying to say is that the movie makes u disgusted, but its definetly not the cause for the war. Also, the way i look at it, if our country was invaded, we would do the same thing, i think. They are just reacting to foreign opresors, altough it is backfiring, to them, and to me a little, its justified. by that i dont mean that i support the decapitating of American soldiers, but i can't blame them, they r human too.

these peoples slogans has been "death to america" since the 80's. before we even set foot in their land. They are huge, highly funded organized groups of radical muslim extremists whose goal is to destroy western society. In their minds, it is a religious war, and they will stop at nothing to acheive their goal. They're strength, and aggression towards America. and others who dont comply with their jihad shit has grown exponentially. We cannot ignore, or negociate with these people. They must be eliminated.

we started this. Don't talk about what you don't know. The gulf war and its preceding conflicts instilled hate for American around the world. We basically went in and said fuck you to everyone, we're in charge, and killed a bunch of people, and then left. And thus, half the world hates us. and ten years later, some pissed off iraqis flew planes into buildings. We cant just go in and kill them, thats how the problem started. Dont be an idiot. And its not a religious war against us, its a religious war between the shite and the sunni muslims, and we're cought in the middle, only we cause we had to be dicks and stick ourselves in everyone elses buisness. haha... double entendre. think about it this way. say bush invaded mexico for oil and russia started sending troops to your street, along with tanks and planes. And when your parents went outside and were all like wtf? they get shot. i'd be pretty pissed off too.

Nick I'm not talking about the war between shiites and sunis, I am talking about the extremeist groups. We are not over there because of shiites and sunis. The people responsible for 9/11 were extremists, they had nothing to do with the suni shiite thing. Their slogan is "death to america" they are waging a radical religous war, thats why they do that prayer shit, and scream alla all the time. It is very religious based, do you research, that cant be disputed.

They are not waging an entirely religious war. They are looking to their religion as justification for their actions. They look to their religion for moral and political values, and they base their actions off of that. And to them, they think their religion supports violence. Its not like it says "death to America" anywhere in the Koran. You seriously don't believe in the old, "they hate our freedom" excuse, do you?

no, they hate western society, partly out of radical interpritation of the koran, and also possibly partly out of subconcious jealousy, I personally believe that, but that is debateable. However, one bit of fact to support that, is the fact that we have video survelance footage the 9/11 terrirosts who were supposedly did what they did because they opposed our "immoral actions", drinking in american bars, and going into porn shops during the few years they were in American before 9/11. Hippocritical bastards.

Tim, shut up. Nick was right. In the Islamic religion which is Muslims, if you didn't know, you cannot drink any alcohol at all, women cannot show their faces or drive, and there is no sex before marriage. They have moral police in countries that are run by Islamic Law to uphold all of this. Muslims do not like it when people do not follow the Islamic Law, which usually results in jail time. But on the occasion of it being a Shi'ite the penalty would result in death. (Shi'ites are only about 15% of all Muslims) Nick was also right about the Gulf War, America fucked itself over during the Gulf War which made about half the world hate us. By the way it wasn't Iraq on 9/11, that was Osman Bin La din who by did not work with Saddam Hussein. 9/11 gave Bush an excuse to go into Iraq which lead to the whole WMD thing which never existed.


By the way Allah is Arabic for God, so Praise Allah is saying Praise God. And Muslims believe in Jesus they say he is a Prophet not Gods son.

Oh and Tim that video makes no sense the one with Why We Must Stay in Iraq.

January 29, 2009=HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE (Bush leaves office)

GO Barrack

Ian (Ginger) wrote: In the Islamic religion which is Muslims, if you didn't know, you cannot drink any alcohol at all, women cannot show their faces or drive, and there is no sex before marriage. They have moral police in countries that are run by Islamic Law to uphold all of this. Muslims do not like it when people do not follow the Islamic Law, which usually results in jail time. But on the occasion of it being a Shi'ite the penalty would result in death. (Shi'ites are only about 15% of all Muslims)

By the way Allah is Arabic for God, so Praise Allah is saying Praise God. And Muslims believe in Jesus they say he is a Prophet not Gods son.

thank you captain obvious, you just stated a bunch of irrelevant random facts about the muslim religion.
There is a diffrence between muslims and extremeists, until you grasp that concept, you dont have any credability in this argument.

and just out of curiosity, how is the day that bush leaves office going to be the happiest day of YOUR life? do you pay taxes? do you have family in iraq? do you have any military relations at all? im pretty sure your awnser to all of those questions is NO...you unemployed hippy. How did any this even affect you at all? Your a rich kid with no military relations in hunterdon county, and you dont even pay taxes. Will it be the happiest day of your life when we have another major terrorist attack, that couldve been prevented by the same anti-terrorist policies you protested, and someone in your family dies?

wow nick, wow....first off the media is one of the most liberal things to ever walk the earth. Everything from CNN, to Moveon.org, to almost everyone in Hollywood (Jane Fonda, Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie, Michael Moore, Jim Carry, Steven Colbert) They're all liberal as hell.

and furthermore, you obviously dont realize how good you have it. Your great education, your dreams of being a doctor, the fact that if anything goes wrong "tools of the government" i.e. national guard, civil air patrol, law enforcement, fire fighters, etc. will be there to save your ungrateful ass in like 60 seconds. The fact that you have the right to vote, and express your hippy opinions. The fact that you can go into a public place, without being afaraid of being blown up, shot, or beaten. The fact that you live in a house probably 4 times as bigger, and 100 times nicer than what most of the world is living in. All these economic benefits, as well as every single right given to you by the constitution, would have been taken from you a long time ago if it wasn't for the armed forces risking their lives to defend ungrateful assholes like you. In your last post, you just blatently disrespected our military, and slapped them in the face. Not just the policies, but the soldiers themselves. That is as low as it gets.

you damn idealists dont realize that there are violent problems going on in the world, and we have one of two options. 1. Defend ourselves, 2. Become victims. It would be nice to think we can just turn our heads and walk away, and ignore the fact that there are people who devote every day of their life to finding new creative ways to kill Americans. However, if we ignore those people, then they will kill us. They have already proven they mean business, look at 9/11. AL QAEDA was responsible for that.We can either confront them with troops on their land, or be passifists, and wait till they come over here on our land, and take a shot at you.

Furthermore, if our country is just a terrible place, and all we do is kill people, and our government just the root of all evil, and everyone hates us, and our media brainwashes everyone to become tools for the government...THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ARE UNGRATEFUL FOR ALL THE BENEFITS AND PROTECTION YOU HAVE. AND IF YOU HATE IT SO BAD, THEN LEAVE! WE DONT WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HERE.

you people sit and protest and complain all day long, about your conspiracy theories, and peace speeches, but you never get anything done. America doesnt need counter productive hippies who spew hatred at our troops.

More or less it does not matter if you believe that we should have gone into Iraq or not, were there now. So the choice is do we pull out or stay in there? I personally believe stay in there. First off think of all the negatives that would occur if we did pull out. We leave Iraq high and dry vulnerable to all the terrorist groups would just come charging right up to fill that gap of power. We are making progress in Iraq you can not dispute that. It might be slow, but it is progressing. And if you are argueing about how we go about trying to gain control of the situation in Iraq than think about this. If we just sit in military bases instead of patroling the streets and fighting the threats beside the Iraqi Security Forces what would the people think of us? But we are fighting along side them, and people are becoming more open to the thought the USA weill be there for some time. More than 600,000 IRAQI FORCES are in Iraq now helping themselves. Also, what would the entire world and UN think of us if we pulled out fast prematurely or to fast? The would think we were dipshits. THe UN wants us to stay "UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged U.S. policy-makers to exercise "great caution" in considering any rapid withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq. "I'd like to tell you that a great caution should be taken for the sake of the Iraqi people," Ban said at a UN press conference. "Any abrupt withdrawal or decision may lead to a further deterioration."
And if you think going into Iraq was a mistake than think about this. If you broke it you pay for it. Than if you think we "broke" or fucked up Iraq than should we not stay to fix it up?

I am not even going to make a counter argument. Actually, i didn't even read the last two posts. This can go on forever. Its a subjective issue, and people like neumann who are so focused an stubborn on a single perspective, their own opinion, will not be swayed. but i can say this. Everything you have said in the past few days, timmo, has been wrong. Everyone agree with that. So please, shut the fuck up until you stop being such a retard, and learn the truth

so everything i said is wrong...but you cant dispute it huh? yea that makes perfect sense. and "everyone" = you and ian.

Neumann the whole world, or most of it, already thinks we are a bunch of assholes, so really them thinking we are dipshits really doesn't seem to bother us. But i do agree with you that we can't just take all of our troops out at once in a blink of an eye. I think that we have to start bringing troops home in a controlled manner as to not cause mass chaos in Iraq. We DID break Iraq, but we have no choice but to finish the "fixing" of Iraq. We do need to leave Iraq, but it has to be at reasonable pace so Iraq does not become dependent on us, or we leave to fast and just fuck over all of the innocent citizens of Iraq. I do not support this war Tim, but i do support the troops no matter how dumb the situation is that they have to fight in.

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dear Tim,
The age where the US military has to defend our constitutional beliefs in our own country is long gone. Terrorists arent threatening democracy. You see, what the Military is doing now is defending our constitutional beliefs in other countries, which is not bad, its a moral policy, where America gets to go around fixing to world. Good, cause the world needs to be fixed. It sucks. the middle east, Africa, fuck you all. So America isn't defending itself, its spreading democracy.

Dear Ian and Mr. Douchbag,
U R BRAINWASHED BY THE LIBERAL MEDIA. SEEK IMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION!!! STAY AWAY FROM TV NEWS, AND BLUE DONKIES!!! Ok ian, this is barracks policy since i know u don't know. 1) Tax the rich(thats u) and provide Universal Healthcare(possibly from the extra money from the rich people's taxes) 2) Contradictorilly, he states that America needs to adopt a moral foreign policy, although attesting the war in Iraq and supporting war in Iran and Syria, or atleast anti terrorist shit, saying we need to stop terrorism in these countries. Hmmmm, i thought that was what we are doing in Iraq, so why pull out and focus on Iran? Idk, perhaps Senator Contradictioncan explain. 3) He hopes to get rid of Nukes. Ok great, how senator? Well, hes going to talk to Russia to kindly ask them to stop making nukes, lower US missile defense budgets, get rid of most of our nukes, and stop other countries from producing nukes. Good luck with that. So Barack, the leader of Al Quieda, and Vladimir Putin are all sitting at a table in the UN. U do the math. 4) some other shit to prove i know what im talking about: hes pro abortion, or pro-choice w/e, hes odviously against the war in Iraq, he proposes more money spent for education, he wants to eliminate taxes on senior citizens with incomes less than 50k, and wants to get rid of the 102k cap on social security taxes, so basically he doesnt like taxing the poor, and thinks the rich should pay enough taxes for the poor and the middle class. Our wallets may be deep, but not endless. Oh, and don't forget, hes a Black Supremacist. Remember Trinity Church, Jerimiah Wright and a 23 year relationship with him, "Racially charged surmons," im sure its not the first time hes heard these eleged surmons.

Dear Conservatives(i dont mean Republicans, just u Conservatives)
Conservatism is like counter productivity. Every single time this nation has made progress, the Conservatives have been the ones to strike it down and stand in the way of progress. Conservatives are poison to the Nation, and I certainly am not calling the Republican Party bad, just the Conservative republicans. Sure Democrats want change, but they will only bring bad changes. Non-conservative republicans are the ones who will bring great progress to this nation. Do u like the pace of change we r having in Iraq, this is conservatism, nothings getting done cause we dont want to change anything. I hate more than Liberals anarchists, eleged anarchists, and people that hate the Army. The U.S. military protects u and u have to believe that whether u support what they r doing now in Iraq or not. The military isn’t to blame, hello, its Mister Commander in Chief. So nick, and all u others, u can’t hate the military and u can’t say that we should not have a military because u can never make fighting stop. U can’t have it so that no one will ever kill each other unless u want to start like a Super Utopia like the Giver, good luck with that. People would start fighting, and it would be just like a war, but without a military, man vs. man.

I saw Charlie Wilson's War, and in the end it quoted him it said, blah blah something about Afganistan, because that was what it was about how we freed the afgani's from the Russians, which is like what we are doing now in Iraq, only we r freeing them from (poop), Anyway, it said we did good in afganistan, but we fucked it all up in the endgame. He said this cause he wanted to get the people back to their normal lives, like make schools, and give them military training and what not. This relates to Iraq because i think this is what America is trying to do, they realized that they fucked up before in other conflicts, so now they are trying to do it right, to "free" the Iraqis. This is being accomplished, sort of, but i just think that that is the reason why we r still in Iraq, so we dont "fuck it up in the endgame."

ps, now its in the right topic